I. Call to order
5:34pm
II. Roll Call
All members present except for Chidi
III. Approval of Minutes
IV. Special Guests – Yvette Mozie-Ross and Dr. Rutledge
Dr. Diane Lee: What has just been passed around to you is a sheet on the positives and negatives about making a change. We wanted you to see the arguments. There has been a presentation to the council of deans who said this might be a good way to proceed. We wanted to come to the SGA to hear your voice.
We currently have a drop date that is much later that what most institutions have. The suggestion was to have our drop date conform to the graduate school policy. There will be a push to have the grad and undergrad programs in synch.
Next we will go to the faculty senate and undergraduate program directors. These are faculty from every department who come and talk about their issues. We wanted to see if there was anything we did not consider.
Yvette Mozie-Ross : federal guidelines require that we facilitate inventory of where students stand on their enrollment status after the institutions freeze day. The problem with our drop deadline is that its 10 beyond the freeze day. It currently requires we go back and look at the drop date to make adjustments. The issue that I'm closest to is the co use demand issue (on the hand out). I want to make sure there are sufficient courses for allowing students to progress in a timely manner. It’s hard to justify adding another course when many students will drop anyhow.
Toby: I think two weeks is two short to get a tutor etc. Having the drop date so close might encourage students to drop before they try it.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: You still have a lot of time to drop the course. This discussion regards the date to drop without a W.
Amber: A later date to drop the class allows students the opportunity to do well in a course and to make sure they are taking into account all the different factors and trying everything. Students are not taking advantage of the system they are able to make choices that will impact them in a positive way. Having students rush their decisions is dangerous especially at a university like UMBC. What exactly is our biggest argument for this policy?
Yvette Mozie-Ross: Students are confused about this. It’s a lot of dates to keep in mind.
I think that for students – part of what takes the degree time to be so long is that students are trying out courses. Your doing work for more classes instead of focusing on the ones your going to keep.
Amber: If the add date not change, why does the drop date have to?
The W motivates students. This cause you to make a decision earlier, this is better for you because it allows you to focus on the course you have.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: the current drop date is not serving the students well. The last day to add is the 10-day so someone who needs to the class cannot take it.
Jen: moving it to tow weeks aren’t going to change the situation regarding that, but it will hurt a lot of other students who sign up for class and intend to finish it but cant. Most students who enter the class to drop it will do so on the fist day.
David I.: A lot of freshmen want to experience different classes. 2 weeks isn’t really enough to experience a class.
Dr. Rutledge: UMBC is actually out of the norm on our drop date.
Yasmin: How did this conversation come about? How long was this discussed? Where these graduate professors talking about this?
Yvette Mozie-Ross: it stated in enrollment management. And then we went to the deans to present. They encouraged us to come talk with you.
Yasmin: what were the reasons for that.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: what you see as the positives was what spurred that conversation. There are a lot of reasons we want to support that.
Yasmin: has it been looked at to extend the add days. Is there any talk about extension of add dates.
Dr. Lee: they think that it’s too late already. Faculty say student struggle when they are late to add a class and make up the work. My hunch is that many faculty would be opposed to this.
Josh: 4 weeks is out of the norm. Why is that a bad thing? UMBC has a lot of things out of the norm; I think that’s why people come here. You can’t know after tow weeks whether not you can handle it.
Amber: There’s a lot of merit to the arguments being made, and I would agree with most of them. But the purpose of an institution like UMBC is to produce scholars. We want to make things easy on the institutional level. But if there will be a detriment in the quality of the scholars because of something like this happening.
Dr. Rutledge: these are things that will benefit a student. If a student drops below 12 credits they have to pay back financial aid which can be a big burden for students. It’s not a problem for us to change it in the system. You want to drop courses if there is a great need, not as a strategy for going through the semester.
Jen: most of the people who drop the class at a later date have to choose between a low grade and dropping. These people will have to choose between a low grade and a W.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: You’ll notice on the negative side the FTE production will be negatively impacted. We know that this happens to other institutions that have done this.
Jen: the issue will be for students who initially intend to take the class. By the second week it’s hard to tell if you will be able to handle a class for the rest of the semester. If I were a transfer student I would take notice of this. I think if this does happen I think it’s important to make sure students are aware of that.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: I'm sure we'll have some sort of process in place to look at students on a case-by-case basis during the transition period. I think that because this is the way of life here at UMBC we look at this as a chance to “shop around”. This is unique to UMBC. That is the reason we have pre requisites. These should guide you.
Jen: that depends on the professor. Some are completely different.
Dr Lee: one of the things about adding a course last minute is that they will heir a part time professor. This can be detrimental to students if they do not know about how this professor teaches. Students struggle the most in those courses.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: we ran the number and if we move in this direction there will be substantial FTEs (full time equivalency) drop. We feel the benefits outweigh the costs.
Simmi: Part of what I like about being and inter disciplinary major is taking classes that are different. We are also known for the liberal education here. Is there anyway to open up the add date for an extra week? I think its possible for students to do well in a class after the 10th day. Do you think its possible to extend the add date?
Yvette Mozie-Ross: I don’t think we would do a service by changing the add date.
Josh: This would increase the seats per class. UMBC has large classes as it is. I don’t think big classes would be good. Capacity is too much.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: people who didn’t get in the class might not feel the same way.
Jen: I don’t really feel like students would want this. We want to encourage students to stay in classes and explore. I think that’s what makes us different from other schools.
Amber: as a senator sitting here I have to represent the student body. I can’t fathom students being for this. Jen is right, we shouldn’t conform ourselves just to be like other universities. We should be leaders in that respect. Chances are if students are in the course by the 4th week they will need it for something. This policy would make student chose between a W and an F in the first two week. You should consider the increases in lower grades.
Part of this might be an issue with the instructors. They should make sure students have a better understanding to of what is needed in the class.
Brian: do you have any feedback from other schools? As students does this 4-week drop date make us less competitive then other schools?
Yvette Mozie-Ross: no. 4 weeks is a lot of time to be in a course with no indication that students were actually in a course.
Jen: in a lot of classes you don’t get to the course material by the 3rd class. We need to address the issue of professors not giving enough information for students to know if they need to drop the class. Students will have nothing to base the decision on.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: part of the textbook policy was to get students the information about the class early enough to start making these decisions.
Naina: at other university I have heard of class dropping days. Where people can explore classes. Also I don’t know if you guys have considered classes that only meet once a week. Two classes are not enough. Maybe you could consider 3 weeks to drop a class instead of 2 weeks.
Rahilla: I'm curious about how the FTEs actually affect the system.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: when we looked at how many students drop between the 11th and 20th day. This number equated to about 107 FTEs.
Dr. Rutledge: The state provides money per FTE student. The more FTEs we have the more money goes to the university. The state doesn’t consider you FTE until you have 15 credits. Some students aren’t taking a full lode because they couldn’t get into a class.
Yasmin: Some classes do a two-day absence policy. If you don’t come to two classes they you get dropped. This might help open up seats. My concern in this policy is the freshman. This would determent them.
David I.: I think now with the current financial situation is not the best time to be lowing FTEs and getting less funding from the state.
Dr. Lee: when you have to heir a part time person for a new section is not cost efficient. When I came to UMBC if felt like this should be like a place where student can explore. We have one of the poorest recodes on the state for 4-year graduation. Our culture has promoted exploratory learning. One of the outcomes of this is the late 4-year graduation date. Even our 6-year rate is among the lowest in the state. I think the point about holding faculty very responsive for this. We should do a much better job of having these things online. We tell faculty to spend time explain the syllabus.
Dr. Rutledge: we have discussed the FTD issue with the state so they know about it.
Dr. Lee: Regarding transfer students. One of our most common criticisms is that we cannot get transfer students the courses they need. Course availability is a big issue.
David I.: my concern is the website saying that the drop date was at 2 weeks
Yvette Mozie-Ross: we didn’t know they had changed this. It could be a technical issue. It’s easy to set it up so you could implement it. It hadn’t actually been changed.
Amber: I hope when this issue is presented to the faculty senate, you will bring up our issues. I would be a lot more comfortable with this if I knew w hat other solutions were discussion this you end. What other options do you have? Were these things discussed?
Yvette Mozie-Ross: honestly I'm not sure what other options we listed. The three weeks would not be an option. We wanted to align it to the schedule adjustment, which was 2 weeks. You cant extend the add date.
Amber: would it be possible to have more discussions in the future for other solutions? I would like to see more long-term conversions.
Josh: I'm getting the impression that you guys aren’t here to take input. I feel like this is a done deal for you.
Yvette Mozie-Ross: this is not the case because we haven’t talked to all the people we need to. We haven’t had a discussion with the faculty senate. We are in the midst of implement a new student information system. I don’t know why that showed up on the website. The only people who can see this are the consultants. I’m guessing they set up the back end because they know these conversations were happening.
Joe: how long has this been an issue?
Yvette Mozie-Ross: the conerns have been going on for years.
Joe: I feel as a transfer student this just sort of came out of nowhere. I thought it was nice to have the 20 days.
Dr. Lee: we’ve actually had a person for the first time that has been looking at academic policies. That is why this seems out of the blue. There are more committees working on this now. As we go forward there’s no reason why we couldn’t share this portion of the minutes. You will capture the words and the issues brought up here. You would know for sure threat we were trying to represent what was said here. I would bring forth this section of the minutes. I can invite persons to come to undergraduate program directors because I chair that. I would let you send some representatives to come.
V. Open Discussion
A. Review of past week
Transcript fees – Could look into discounts for students with financial aid. Agreement to research it and then bring it up to the USM.
Brian: USMSC met yesterday. There was a long discussion about whether or not to allow for shadow reps in the constitution and we're going to vote on it next week.
Whitney: Emailed about the academic standing issue. I reviewed the proposal and will pass it around so you guys can look at it.
Gabe: steering committee had two presentations. One final about legislation tuition freeze passed. No pay increase for anyone on famous also a small cut to UMBC. Also talked about the textbook legislation pass. Also did a presentation on housing and parking. Issue with parking about weather or not to build garage or to make current parking more efficient.
Rahilla: RSA’s meeting had Chartwells talking about their plans for next year. Dogapallooza is April 25
B. proveIt! Updates
VI. Project Updates
A. Increased Library Hours (Matt, Simmi, Sunaina, Toby)
Naina: Were just working on publicity. Were hoping to do stuff with stress free zone.
B. Reaching out to International Students (Chidi, Rahilla)
Rahilla: I sent out a couple of emails, will keep you guys posted.
C. Black and Gold Campus Signage (Aditi, Whitney, Jen, Toby)
Aditi: I got a couple of signs. I’ll get back to you with that. I’m meeting with Dr. Hrabowski next week to see about financial issues. I’m determined to get the remaining money.
D. Follow-up on Transit Tracker (Simmi, Matt, Amber, Rahilla)
Rahilla: We couldn’t get all of the details on the contract. It changed. They made a lot of improvements. They did carry out a lot of advertisement but funds were a bit of a problem. They had a whole campaign package and everything. Planning on putting up LCD but funding is an issue. Might wait till master plan is complete before putting in LCD.
VII. New Business
VIII. Executive/ Ex-officio Reports
IX. Announcements
X. Roll Call
All members present except for Chidi, Brian and Amber.
XI. Adjournment
7:55pm
XII. Pass the Gavel